the ethnic cleansing of Palestine -ILAN PAPPE
Dear all
i just come back from Ireland , promise to come back to you as soon as i finish important work pending issues , till then i highly recommend to you to read Ilan Pappe most interesting book the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine , we need more and more of couregious people to tell the truth and not to keep repeating the zionist media spin STPRIES , about what happened in Palestine 1948,
salam , peAce based on justice for all
i just come back from Ireland , promise to come back to you as soon as i finish important work pending issues , till then i highly recommend to you to read Ilan Pappe most interesting book the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine , we need more and more of couregious people to tell the truth and not to keep repeating the zionist media spin STPRIES , about what happened in Palestine 1948,
salam , peAce based on justice for all
posted by Mona_Elfarra at
5:45 PM
11 Comments:
Salam,
glad to hear you're safe and back in Gaza. Al hamdulah salama.
//Imaan from Sweden
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Imaan On Ice, at 3/21/2007 10:56 PM
I already show a news bulletin about the " Etnic Cleansing of palestine " back in 1947, 1948.
Arabs did not acept the partition .
It was the Arabs who declared war.
One of the palestinian leaders was Amin al-Hussei , The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
He had spend the wholle war in Germany and was a friend of the nazis.
6 million jews had been exterminated by the NAZIS.
How could the palestinian jews accept to live in the same state of a friend of Adolf Hitler ?
This is history.
When it comes to Pappe
I am not a Jew.
(There are many self hating jews actually .).
For some awry reason there is a small group of jews that seem determined to destroy the jewish people.
In the web I found an article of Pappe.
Let us look at a paragraph he did wrote:
While the Zionist leadership finalised a plan for taking over the land and expelling the people between 1946 and 1948, the Palestinian leadership hoped the British empire would transfer to them their country in which they were still the vast majority and the indigenous population.
But Britain decided to transfer the issue of Palestine to the United Nations (UN) in February 1947.
The guy manages to do someting incredible.
The holocaust had just taken place 4 years before, in 1942,1943,1944.
European jews had been exterminated !!!!
A small number of jews survived in Palestine !!!
But Mr Pappe does not say a word about such fact in this paragraph.
For him it was unfair to transfer to the UN the palestinian problem.
He totally ignores the holocaust and the fact that a few years before millions of jews had been exterminated.
He totally ignores Arabs declared war and did not accept the right of the jews to a state of their own.
Click here to see news bulletin 2 december 1947.
Just imagine all population of Gaza had been exterminated.
With good reason the UN decided palestinian had the right to a state.
But a palestinian historian ignoring the massacre of millions of palestinians just claimed there was a evil palestinian plan to occuppy land in palestine !!!!
How would you call such fellow , someone that did ignore the killing of millions of palestinians ?
I guess it would be fair to call such individual a sick person.
Same with Pappe.
As long as people believe in theories of sick people peace wont come.
Lebanese only realize war is bad after a war in wich 200 thousand got killed.
Many palestinian still did not realize that
hate brings war and war brings death and suffering.
If you hate your neighbour sooner or later there will be conflict.
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solitarioh2005, at 3/22/2007 3:50 PM
As I wrote I am not a historian.
I am not a jew.
I am not palestinian.
But I am not stupid either.
In the following narrative of Pappen about Zionism in the 30s and 40s there is not a single word about the nazism and the persecution of jews.
Pappen Wrote :
"
The number of Jews coming into the country increased by the day - although even at that point, during the 1930s, the Jews were just a quarter of the population, possessing 4 percent of the land.
As resistance to colonialism strengthened, the Zionist leadership became convinced that only through a total expulsion of the Palestinians would they be able to create a state of their own.
From its early inception and up to the 1930s, Zionist thinkers propagated the need to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population of Palestine if the dream of a Jewish state were to come true.
The preparation for implementing these two goals of statehood and ethnic supremacy accelerated after the Second World War ".
Many of the jews that come to palestine during the 30s were german jews, people who fled persecution.
Pappen ignores that.
No wonder calls for statehood increased after world war II.
After all 6 million had been killed by hitler !!!!
Pappen is not corageous.
Pappen is a bigot , someone with no respect for million of people killed.
How can someone claim human life must be respected if they ignore the killing of millions of human beings ?
This kind of talk is even more disgusting coming from someone who claims to be a jew.
Parents of people Pappen does know were killed in the holocaust.
But he just ignore such killings and only condemn jews because they longed for an home.
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solitarioh2005, at 3/22/2007 4:57 PM
My comments were completely in the point.
While Mr Pappe does ignore the REAL holocaust of the jews back in the 40s , he claims palestinians are being subjected by an holocaust.
This opinion does make sense ?
Why the killing of 3 people is considered a part of an holocaust and the killing of 12 thousand jews a day in auschwitz during the forthies is ignored by Pappe?
Genocide in Gaza
by Ilan Pappe
Taken from The Electronic Intifada 2 September 2006
A genocide is taking place in Gaza. This morning, 2 September, another three
citizens of Gaza were killed and a whole family wounded in Beit Hanoun. This is
the morning reap, before the end of day many more will be massacred. An average
of eight Palestinian die daily in the Israeli attacks on the Strip. Most of
them are children. Hundreds are maimed, wounded and paralyzed.
END OF QUOTE
Someone who does ignore the killing of millions has no moral authority to claim he does respect human life.
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solitarioh2005, at 3/22/2007 5:08 PM
Believe me, I am doing what I possibly can to help! I can't even describe anymore how I feel ... to starve people and then to have the audacity and passively watch from the sideline - that is lower than low!!
BE STRONG Mona ... I'm with you and together with me countless people worldwide who fight for justice!
LOVE YOU ALL!
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Karin, at 3/24/2007 2:59 AM
Salam sister,
Please stop running from place to place trying to get sympathy from kafirs across the entire world. They will NEVER comprehend what oppression or what transgression is because Allah is not in their hearts. Just stop and think.
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samer, at 3/24/2007 5:54 AM
Why are you trying to get sympathy from the kafirs? You should be begging Allah for help. Think.
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samer, at 3/24/2007 5:55 AM
Dear Mona,
Not even trying to discuss that Pappe's vision is biased.
But I'd like to ask you, have you ever heard from the Palestinian historian, about the conduct of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin Al Husseini during the WW II? The wouldbe president of Palestine in the 1940's, was a clearest example of Nazi collaborator, visiting Hitler many times, training Bosnian nazi militias, and helping the nazi government of Iraq. He visited the concentration camps in occupied Poland, and openly advocated the idea of a 'final solution' of the 'problem' of Middle East Jews. In 1944 he spoke to the Berlin radio: 'Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion.' Check his history here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj_Amin_el_Husseini
My intentions are not to blame 'Palestinians in general' for the deeds of their Mufti. Generalizations are always a wrong way. I'm saying this story just to recall you, that the Palestinian side of that conflict was far from being saint.
Best regards
Chris
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Michał, at 3/24/2007 4:50 PM
>>After all 6 million had been killed by hitler !!!!<<
But is not this a totally other discussion?
How about the amount of native Americans killed? How about the killings in Tibet?
I thought that amount(?) was sure not at all only for jews, but also for homosexuals, gypsies like Roma people and others. How about their "rights" in the "holy land"?
Because of the guilty feeling of us Europeans and the United Nations after the second world war,the indigiounous Palestineans, who were no party in that holocaust at all, were thrown out of their own houses and occupied.
Why did those Zionists have to go to the "holy land"? Why not to the USA? Are/were not in the USA living much more jews as in the "holy land"?
Why are the occupied indigenous people in the "holy land" so many years discriminated by the occupiers?
The Norwegians could also say they were living less than 2000 years ago in a big part of Europe. I would not like it if I was thrown out of my house by them now in this time. When they would build a huge wall through my city or back yard, so that I cannot visit my family anymore, or work. And that those occupying Norwegians just would refuse to accept the verdict of the International Criminal court or resolution 242 by the United Nations.
Peace in the world can only be reached by peace in our hearts and minds. Please let us work on that TOGETHER!
Is not it absurd that in the name of the same Lord, the Lord of Love(!), The Zionists (Jaweh), Palestineans (Allah) and Christians keep fighting each other?
salaam aleikum,
Sjalom!
herman
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Unknown, at 3/24/2007 10:17 PM
>How about their "rights" in the "holy land"?
Because the cultural and religious code of these groups were not linked to the Palestine. In the Old Testament you have hundreds of references to that place (not denying rights of Palestinians to this place too)
>Why not to the USA?
Because, Herman, during the WW II the immigration quota for Jews in the USA were 20000 per year, and in the course of war they were even narrowed down. Btw. USA was not the only case-it was rather the usual behaviour.The ships carrying immigrants were v.often refused to land,and finally sent back to Europe.
>Why did those Zionists have to go to the "holy land"?
Because a considerable part of those Jews who lived in Palestine 1948 had their properties legally bought, often from Arab salesmen? Because the considerable part of today Jews were born already there and they feel that this is their homeland? Because the Jewish refugees from the Arab countries (and their children) have a close gate to live in these states and close way to regaining their properties in these states, or at best will not be welcome there?
And now a question from me:
Why do you end your post by 'Sjalom', and cry out about the fight between the people living there, while in the same post you advocate the ethnic cleansing of 5 milion people? Don't you think that the solution to this conflict should be a bit more humanitarian than 'Jews go away!' and based on some consensus possible for these two Nations?
I believe that there is a better solution than you propose, and it is based on two states with Palestinian and Jewish self-determination and partial return of Palestinian refugees to Israel, while large recompensation for the rest of refugees for their loss from Jews; as well as recompensation for Jewish refugees for their loss from the Arab side. I believe that then the revival of economy, the commerce and tourism will bring the real peace and prosperity for the Palestinians and also security for Jews.
Best regards
Chris
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Michał, at 3/25/2007 9:01 PM
>How about their "rights" in the "holy land"?
>>Because the cultural and religious code of these groups were not linked to the Palestine. In the >>Old Testament you have hundreds of references to that place (not denying rights of Palestinians >>to this place too)
When I read the Bible well, this is the second time in history that Jews invaded palestine.
I dont mind the jews going to Palestine. I mind their exclusive right of Zionism. Discriminating the Palestinean former habitants, like the white people discriminated the black people in South africa.
And why dont they stop Zionism and give the original Palestineans the same rights without discrimination?
Why cannot the problem being solved like in South Africa. Why is there no spiritual leader like Nelson Mandela in this conflict? Our parents created this problem, what do WE have to do with that? Please let's get rid of our ego's.
>Why not to the USA?
>>Because, Herman, during the WW II the immigration quota for Jews in the USA were 20000 per year,...
So we both agree probably that the USA could have solved this problem in the war by letting in more Jewish people that time. In that time they measured also in two ways, just like they are doing now in this conflict.Werner von Braun had no problems getting into the USA, was there not even prosecuted for his creating of warmachines etc. If we agree together in this analysis, why does not the USA gouvernment feel guilty too? And is/was it not more active in solving this problem they also created themselves?
>>Why do you end your post by 'Sjalom',...
I also ended in Sallaam aleikum!
I ended it this way, showing my sincerity. Why cannot we just live in peace together. Why cannot the strongest in materialism and military power give more in, and help solving the problem this way. I think it's just because of fear... But if we trust in our common Lord, we should not fear. That can be read in our common Old testament. That is the lesson our Lord wanted to give us all!
May I give an example of it by my ordinary life?
When I make accidently a rude remark to my wife entering the room after work, and she tells me, that I hurted her this way, I love her so much that I go back out of the room again. I enter a few seconds later, use then friendlier en not hurting words and tell her that I love her and don't want to hurt her... By doing that way I do not create pain and anger that was coming up with her, but a better understanding. We can then laugh together about this human weakness of both of us...
Why cannot adult politicians do the same thing in this conflict? Why cannot the Israeli zionist government say: sorry about the problems our parents created after the second worldwar out of a guilty feeling... how can we solve this problem now together?
In Love and Peace
sjalom
salaam aleikum
herman
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